Why isnt Hayley popular in the US?

Well, Hi Ironman and welcome. From which part of the states do you hale?

Although I am not of the faith that the Chrystal Cathedral espouses I find myself watching their programming to see the wonderful talent they display. Hayley is to be commended for being asked to be on their broadcast.
But I am puzzled why after all the U S appearances she has made in the last few years she has not been embraced by American audiences. It makes me wonder if Americans have lost their ability to recognize real talent. Such a pity.

Larry

Keep in mind that there are two obvious factors which skew those numbers . First, the US has five times as many people as the UK. Second, there are few alternative outlets for information about Hayley. You wont find much about her in print over here. Therefore any person in the US who wants informatin about her almost has to go through one of the websites, or YouTube of course.

I have no doubt that Hayley has almost as many fans here in sheer numbers as she does in the UK. For reasons of simple logistics this does her very little good, because except for possibly New York there arent enough of them in any one place to support a concert big enough to come over and do.

Larry, I dont think that it has a lot to do with better or worse taste in America. The simple size of the country as opposed to elsewhere suggests that mass media is the only way to reach large audiences here. This produces a catch 22 for an artist like Hayley. It wont be featured on mass media unless it is commercially viable, and it isnt commercially viable in large part because you cant find it on mass media. Many things that people decry about pop culture in America stem, in my opinion, from this simple contradiction. For example, a lot of pop music is very derivative of itself, because there is an understandable reluctance on the part of both artists and the industry at large to deviate from a successful formula.


Jon

PS I would try to bring this back on topic, but feel singularly unqualified to discuss fashion

Jon, I'm sorry but I don't agree with you. Albeit the U S is five times the size of the U K tastes are localized in America. The South has country the west has rap, etc. and the Midwest has an eclectic mix. In my opinion I still say that the U S is not as appreciative of good music as Europe is.
I think it's a simple case of what is hyped more that hat is good.
I won't argue the point that classical crossover would not be popular here. Most in the U S don't even know what it is.
I cite the case of Streisand. She rose up from nowhere and became a superstar. The main thing an artist must do her is to appeal to a segment i.e. pop or country than spread out to other segments. It's hard but not impossible. The main ingredient in the strategy is promotion.

Larry

I don't know the figures (BobC might know), but I do know that almost every new member recently is from the U.S. Many of them discovered her through CW, and also youtube. Two of the newest members discovered her because of Susan Boyle; they found Hayley's I Dreamed a Dream and liked her better! Most of the members who actually post are from the U.S., too. Actually, I can only think of one person from the UK who posts regularly. Someone from NZ posts often, too.

I find it surprising that there are more US members on this forum than UK, because most of you who post are from the UK. So, if there are so many from the US, why don't they post?

Well, BobC says we have 400 members on the official forum, but it's lucky if more than 4 people post in a single day. So, I wonder where they all are, too (well, some of you are here).

Larry, what I said about the people who discovered Hayley from the Capitol 4th show, the Crystal Cathedral, and the Dance show, proves that if people have the opportunity to hear Hayley, they will love her! Don't be so hard on us American's! They can't like something they can't hear!
BTW, American Idol is not horrible. Not all the new singers come from there, and half of them don't become all that famous anyway. Most of the winners are nicer, more humble people than the stars who are found the usual way. Jordin Sparks is a very sweet girl, and David Cook was very humble throughout the whole show. His brother just died of brain cancer.
Neal E. Boyd, who won last year's America's Got Talent, was a classical crossover singer. America voted for him, so again, don't be so hard on our tastes!

Don't worry, I'll stop with this off-topic stuff now.

I like that shiny, metallic dress with the flowery stuff at the top. I don't like the chocolate dress, it's way too short.

Whew, I'm on topic after all.

First, I should say that I'm really glad that this thread exists because I love seeing all these pictures of Hayley in her various dresses/outfits. I can't say I like every single one, but in general I think Hayley's sense of fashion is wonderful.

Now for the off topic part. In response to Libby, the lack of activity from US members may be due to our lack of knowledge of Hayley's going-ons. HWI for me is the place where I actually figure out when concerts are or when new albums are coming out and what not. Additionally, I, problaby like many US members, have never been to one of Hayley's concerts and find it hard to relate or say anything about them in those threads. Furthermore (yes, there's a lot of these points), I currently cannot spend 50+ dollars to buy CDs, which is the current running cost of the new Japanese album, meaning there really is no way for me to analyze or add to the discussion about it. By the time I buy the CD, the discussion about this album will be long done and over with. Yes, I know I can post in threads such as this one, but other people usually say what I say and I just let it go. Maybe we're just not as devoted fans as the UK members are (maybe this has something to do with the music preference of the US), but I don't how accurate that is. She's the first singer that I've truly liked and have wanted to own all her songs, and I barely post!

*adds because Larry posted before I got mine up XD* I have to agree with Larry about the music preferences that can perhaps be described as "less cultured". One of putting it is, classical music is something that you would play in a concert for dignitaries of various countries. I can't imagine a rap concert being given when say, the Queen of England visits the US or when the President of the US visits the UK.

I do agree with your last statement. Just one glimpse at the Grammy awards show this year, and I was absolutely digsusted with the music industry here these days. It was just awful. My only interest in the show was because Josh Groban was nominated for something, but I knew they wouldn't show that category, so I didn't watch it.

Alantie, the Japanese albums are available at CDJapan for a better price than Amazon, because Amazon has to import them. It's still expensive, but it's worth it to me.
I'm an American fan, and I feel very well-informed, mostly because of this forum. I'm usually the one on the official forum providing all the information there, mostly what I find here, but sometimes things I found myself. I've never been to a concert of Hayley's either, but I still reply to many of the posts. Usually I respond in regards to the photos, or about the songs she sang, or something. I love to see what she's wearing, too. Just because I can't go doesn't mean I'm not interested in the shows or don't have anything to say about them.
I'm not sure I'm really buying your reasons in regards to all Hayley's other American fans. It's not that hard to do a search in google or youtube, and find all sorts of sfuff, unless you don't have a computer, or something.

Hi Alantie,

Welcome to the forum. It is perplexing to not be able to join some of the discussions with our U K friends about Hayley's concerts. However, we can keep hoping that someday she will be able to tour the U S on a yearly basis.

Larry